The British Blacktrepreneur Podcast
Welcome to 'The British Blacktrepreneur' My name is Jason Lazarus
This podcast aims to promote black businesses, in the UK, educate entrepreneurs on all things business, and inspire you on your entrepreneurial journey. Growing up, business was just foreign to me, I knew nothing about it, I was taught that being a consumer and working a job was the only way to really succeed in life. My West African would preach ‘Education, Education, Education’ which I hated at the time but have grown to appreciate how invaluable knowledge is. My goal is to curate conversations with Black Entrepreneurs in the UK to find what their ‘WHY’ is. Furthermore, I’m on a mission to get black entrepreneurs podcasting! I’ll be dropping in my expertise about podcasting whilst bringing on inspiring guests to keep you going on your entrepreneurial journey.
The British Blacktrepreneur Podcast
Natalie Leona: A Model of Entrepreneurship and Empowerment
What if you could transform your passion into a thriving business that not only brings you joy but also creates a meaningful impact in your community? Today, we take you through the captivating journey of Natalie Leona, who moved from a modeling career to a successful entrepreneur, highlighting the importance of finding your niche, building a business on connections, and staying true to your values. In our conversation, Natalie opens up about her struggles with depression, the obstacles she faced while navigating a creative agency, and how these challenges shaped her journey. She shares insightful experiences about the black community's struggles in terms of financial literacy and business acumen. Her dedication to supporting black businesses and promoting independence within her community is truly inspiring, embodying her mantra - 'collaboration over competition'. Towards the end of our chat, Natalie sheds light on her community-centric initiatives and her business collaborations. We delve into her online Afro hair and beauty well-being store creation, where she emphasizes black men and women's well-being. Hear her talk about the extra hurdles of being a black entrepreneur and the strategies she's adopted to balance her multifaceted life as a creative entrepreneur, mom, podcast host, and business owner. You're in for an engaging and enlightening episode, so tune in!
People say why do black people charge so much when you have a business? I'll tell you why Because when you're a black person and you go to a wholesalers, they charge you subsequently more than anyone else. And then in the pandemic, it was the black hair and beauty stores was deemed as non-essential. How very rude. Because I can't go into Tesco like Susan and go and pick up all of my hair products. Music.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the British Black Entrepreneur. This podcast exists to promote black businesses in the UK, to educate black entrepreneurs on all things business and to inspire you on your entrepreneurial journey. Here is your host, jason Lazarus.
Speaker 3:You were just listening to the voice of entrepreneur Natalie Leona. Natalie styled off as a model but never really felt comfortable in front of the camera. She built her contacts and network within the music and fashion industry and created her own PR and creative agency in 2010. She's always had strong political views on the black community and moving forward as a collective and incorporated that in everything she does, including her NL PR-born initiative, what Next, which focuses on creating independence in the community in areas of property ownership, education, health and social care, as well as collaborating on different ventures with close friends that have become family, including NL, her online Afro hair and beauty wellbeing store and her podcast no Provado. Her refoss collaboration over competition your only competition is yourself.
Speaker 3:Well, I hope you enjoy today's podcast with Natalie Leona. It was fantastic speaking to her and we're going to dive into so many different areas of wellbeing. Her podcast the black community. If you enjoy the podcast and you like it, please leave a review on Apple, spotify, google or wherever you listen to your podcast. Natalie Leona, welcome to the British Black Tripana. How are you today?
Speaker 1:I'm good, thank you.
Speaker 3:Well, first of all, thanks for coming on. I do appreciate your time as an entrepreneur. I know you're busy. You've got lots going on in your world, so just give our audience an update. Well, actually, what do you actually do? What is your business and how did you get started with it?
Speaker 1:Okay, so I run a PR and creative agency. I have done since around 2010, but it's been through many faces to get through where it's been through. Now I've kind of branded, rebranded, rebranded again and I kind of feel like over the last four, five years is where I've really I am where I need to be and it's doing what it needs, what it needs to do. So, yeah, I worked with initially I started because I was a model before, so I did make a lot of fashion and music contact. So initially I just wanted to hide away and shy away from the camera. So, with all the contacts that I did make and the people that I did work with, what I did is I started working with a lot of brands and musicians. So working on the branding, brand direction, brand development and creativity, creative direction of different fashion brands and artists, music artists. Again, as you go on, you make more and more contact.
Speaker 1:I have a passion for community interests and different political things, so I found that I met different people who had community organisations, started with the Supermarvors Ball, which was an organisation for single mum, and so I did a lot of PR, creative agency and events for that company and met a few other organisations through that and just kind of kept building and building. And then I met my client, diva Choice who has to come on here, by the way, always pushing a few years ago, maybe about three, four years ago, and we've been working hard together. So, as well as a client, now she's not only a client that does fantastic jewelry and swimwear, but we also have our own business ventures together as well. So there's so much. I don't kind of waffle it all out, but just loads of kind of things have happened as a direct result of NLPR. So anything I do try to do, I try to do it under that umbrella, bar Nile, which is our black hair and beauty store, which we kind of created independently with a good friend of mine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean there's so much that we're going to unpack. Don't worry, we're going to get to that, and I can't remember who you just shouted out, but we'll definitely make that connection happen. Yeah, then on the show. That would be terrific. Now I know that you transitioned from modelling to entrepreneurship and you didn't quite feel comfortable in front at centre on stage. What prompted you to go from modelling into business?
Speaker 1:I kind of fell into modelling by accident. So the first time I actually modelled was because someone approached me at Black Hair and Beauty show Many moons ago I'm not going to say how long that was, because I'll show my age and they were like, would you like to do this? And I thought, okay, I'll do that. But when I did it I was actually mortified and just riddled with nerves. But then from that I was asked to do other jobs and then I met my agent then at the time and she got me into loads of different things.
Speaker 1:I was asked to do a few music videos and it kind of just developed and grew from there. But what I was able to do is that, because of the work ethic that we had, my agent then asked me to manage models with her. So as well as her managing me, I was managing the models, but I found that I preferred that and working with the different musicians, the different agents and the different, I just preferred it and I working behind the camera, directing Just different things like that, I found that that was more my niche. So as time went on I got to the point where I was doing things I didn't really want to do so. The modeling I was getting paid and the modeling was doing very well, but I didn't like it and I didn't like the anxiety that I had Just before I went on but loved anything else that we would do within the creative field. Just didn't like that at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's interesting. I mean you talking about getting paid with something that you're doing but you're not particularly liking it. I mean, how important do you think it is for entrepreneurs to find their niche, their thing, their superpower? That's gonna enable them to give the best of their customer base.
Speaker 1:I think you can. I mean, I was able to do my best at the time. There were a few things that I can honestly say that because I wasn't already comfortable when I was asked to do certain things. There was certain things I just wouldn't do, like I'm just not, I'm just too shy, I'm not doing that. I was asked to fly out once and I didn't want to, didn't want to leave my daughter, and I'm not doing it for this, because I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:So I think, ultimately, when you really don't want to do something, it will. It will pull you back and it will crash at some point because it's it's like you're forcing, it's like a, it's like a nine to five, no one, you don't really want to do it. So every self thing, you're just going to be like I cannot. But with I found that when once I found my feet and you know I really do enjoy this then I was like okay, this is what I can do and I felt like I flourished in that more and I felt like that's where I really made the connections, because people obviously contacted me for modeling when they discovered that we did all these other things. That's when the connections were really were really made and kind of Titan.
Speaker 3:Now I know that you initially built your business with connections in the music and fashion industries, your PR agency and your creative agency. Tell us a bit more about some of the other steps that have enabled you to build your business to what it is today in terms of, maybe, hiring space, some of the things you had to do in order for it to be what it is.
Speaker 1:Gosh, what did we have to do? We've been through a lot. The first good few years I didn't have an office space at all or anything like that. Everything was kind of done from home, or meetings in cafes, restaurants, events. We've done a lot of events as well. Again, we had I've had those connections so I could use someone's bar, nightclub, cafe and just kind of do do these things.
Speaker 1:It's been a hard road and there have been times where I used to suffer a little bit from depression. So when you have these things and you're doing it solely by yourself, it's really hard to kind of stick it. And I found that if there ever was a struggle, that was a struggle for me, a few points, a good, maybe six, seven years ago. But I was kind of able to kind of overcome that and keep keep going anywhere and it just seems to have gone from strength to strength and it feels like it's been such a long road but it feels like it's gone really quick at the same time and it's such a hard thing. I think it's a good thing to explain.
Speaker 3:So it feels like a journey and a half, but again it's flashed, flashed before my eyes and, if you don't mind, just exploring a bit more about the time you went through your depression. If you don't mind sharing, you don't have to if you don't want to. But was there a cause behind it and how did you manage to kind of get through it?
Speaker 1:I think, just obviously you're doing this, but life in general, there were different things that were happening and I'm quite I'm not someone that was ever able to get in touch with my vulnerable side, so I think I was always someone that swept things under the rug and just kept going and kept going.
Speaker 1:And you're the strong friend and the strong person and because that's who I was, that's who I kind of had to be all the time, and I think that eventually kind of catches up with you. Until you've got no sense of what you're doing, you run up steam completely and I think when you do that and you do come to that realization, you don't actually know what's happening, you don't know what's wrong with you and you start thinking, well, there's no reason for this. Why do I feel like this when actually it's just your body and probably your soul that's had enough from? You know life and different things that have happened in the past that you can't kind of put under the rug anymore. You kind of have to just deal with that In order to move now let's talk about your PR and your creative agency.
Speaker 3:How do you specifically go around helping customers and clients with what they need to. They send in a request to what they need to. They reach out to you. How does it work from business owner to consumer?
Speaker 1:At the moment I'm mainly I would say yes, we are PR in creative agency. My main source of work at the moment is the creative agency. So there's a lot of creative direction at the moment, a lot of photography and filming and just that kind of thing. So what we're still doing, pr we're needed. I'll do a lot of PR for a lot of the brands that I'm working with. But I'd say the main source of work at the moment is the creative side.
Speaker 1:At the moment, as it stands, a lot of it's been word of mouth and social media. So when all of my clients have kind of been clients that have kind of come to me Diva Choice, we were just we kind of knew each other through work and we had a discussion you do that, I've got a fashion brand, oh my gosh, you do that and it kind of came like that. A couple of other clients were friends or have been friends of mine who have started a business and they kind of come to me and we've kind of worked together to build that business. So usually people contact me and what I like to do. People go have you got a price list?
Speaker 1:And when I first started because what I did realise when I was on model was that there were a lot of people that couldn't get the help they needed for their business because it was completely unaffordable when you say PR and I understand why, because the work is huge. So what I wanted to do is give people the option Telling me what they need and telling me their budget. That way, what I can do is I can say, well, look, this is what I can do for this amount and out of what it is that you need, this is what I can do, and then I can leave you with this to do for yourself. So I can leave you a strategy for you to work on the bits that you may not be able to afford for me to do. And it's just about helping businesses get to where they need to go.
Speaker 1:I'll say it without any shame at all, in particular black businesses. I don't discriminate, but I specifically started to kind of help black businesses because we do not get the help and support that I feel others may need to, or we just don't have the know how. It's not kind of circulated around the community or wasn't. It is more now when I started than probably in other communities. The support is not there by the net platform and opportunity with the context and knowledge that I have at an affordable rate, because you can't you. This is your budget. It doesn't mean we can't help you at all. This is what we can do or this is a strategy that you can.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's really good. I mean, there's two points I kind of want to touch on there. First of all, let's just talk about what you said about black communities not getting the information, whether it's a financial literacy or the business acumen, that they would need in order for them to move forward in what they're doing. Why do you think there is a lack of that within this community?
Speaker 1:I think it goes back a few generations, or maybe the last two generations, especially coming to this country, everything was more based on survival. So you know, even when I was first talking about doing a business as a young person and I had a daughter, it was very scary. It was a very scary and almost nonsensible thing to do to my to my mum. She was like what are you doing? Just go to your job and behave yourself. Got things to do, you've got house to do, you know? I mean, you've got things to pay. Stop being silly.
Speaker 1:So I think obviously, coming to this country, everything was usually based on survival. Anything else, even going on holidays and things like that, was extra to the black community and it's almost like look, just get your education, get your job, get your money and kind of keep quiet, so that it was never really circulated to be anything more than that. And it's not a blame thing to the other generations, but obviously they wasn't afforded those opportunities when they came here. Opportunities were limited. It was about making a crust from work, labour or working and then things. So that was never really. We've never really had that in this, in this country, and I think we are the generation and the next generation coming up that are waving that flag. We're learning, so we're learning and we're passing that on. So within the next few generations it will I think it will be the absolute norm.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely. I think now we're 18 to 34 year olds listening to lots of podcasts, getting into business. I think it's now, like you said, going to be the new normal, so excited to see this space and see what happens. Now I want to talk about your initiative for the black community. What next? Could you share a bit more about what that's about and how it helps people?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a little bit of a long one. I don't appreciate it as much as possible. So, as I said, I've always, can I say, political activists. I've always had an interest in politics in relation to how it affects the black community. So from years ago I've been trying to do initiatives, events or things you know similar to what next, and I've not really had the interest. So I would start it. People be like yeah, yeah, yeah, but people really wouldn't show up the interest that you would get when it come to either putting money in or doing anything where you would need to attend. The take-up wasn't great. So I would then kind of go back to the drawing board, leave it, maybe go back in a few years and I feel like after the George Floyd. But I've always posted things, always posted things because I found that our community sadly enough, they'll respond if you post, but you know, actively doing things it was always more of a struggle to get people to participate in. So when I saw I'm not going to lie I saw the George Floyd situation and the up draw and the attention as an opportunity, let me bring this back and let me see now if we understand what I was saying a few years back, in 2014 and in 2012. I did and it's been amazing. We've had event after an event and they've all been sold out.
Speaker 1:So what next is initiative that I started with and it's called what next? Because, again, I think we do complain a lot about everything that we see. We know about the oppression, the disparity and the racism that goes on. We can discuss it all we like, but what next? What are we talking about? Solutions or are we just kind of complaining? So that's what what next is about, and it's about a bimonthly it's initiative that holds a bimonthly event and not only discusses but action plans different ways where we can implement independence in key areas with education, property ownership, economics, health and social care. And I know why we need to be independent in social care, because I've worked in health and social care and healthcare. So I feel like, if we are able to ascertain some kind of independent within these areas you know these are key areas education, property ownership we don't own nothing, you don't have any power, you don't have any say. And it's more around. I even posted something today. It's more around.
Speaker 1:I saw that a lot of the argument and a lot of the debating online was around integration and showing the powers that be, or the wider, the wider British community, that Black Lives Matter. And with what next it's about? Stop, stop that. This is where we're going wrong. We've got a lot of work to do. So it starts with us. We have a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1:So until we believe that Black Lives Matter and until we kind of go back to where we're going wrong and what we need to do and how we see ourselves, because I don't believe the problem is how they see us or how other communities see us. I believe the reason why we're experiencing such issues is because the way we see ourselves, which is why we don't unite, we don't treat each other properly, we don't treat ourselves properly. So until we can kind of get through that point and realize, okay, this is how, how do we need to view ourselves, who are we and what do we need to do, there's no point kind of arguing and worrying about, you know, integration or Black Lives Matter. You think they don't know that your life matters, it's a life. They wouldn't, you know, do that to a dog. So if you're having to fight with people who you know bathe with their dogs, but think kneeling on a man's neck like it's the wrong argument, we're wasting our time. We're wasting our time here.
Speaker 1:It's mainly focused and it's not to say we don't like white people or we don't like other nationalities. It's not about that. It's about the work that we need to do from within, as a race and as a community, to get to where we need to go, because everything we've got that's come out of George Floyd is great, but none of it is proactive. It's all reactive. And this is all we tend to do and we kind of run around chasing our tales and what Nex is there to do is that when these things do pop up or when things happen, we are proactive. It's not reactive. We've already got things in place so that certain things won't be happening, so that we already have our own governing bodies in certain things and we already have our own independence, our own ownership. We rely too heavily on everyone else and we don't have. We don't have our own, and that's basically what it's about not just having our own, but the mindset that comes with that. And again, it's not anti, anything else, it's just very pro. Let's sort ourselves out, please.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's good. I think what I could do is maybe we could go on a live one day on Instagram and maybe talk about the previous, what next event you had, just so my listeners can get, my audience can know more in depth about what you're doing and, you know, send more people your way. That'd be great.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be amazing, that's fine.
Speaker 3:Now I know your mantra or philosophy is collaboration over competition. Where did that come from and how have you implemented that in your business?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't even want to say, without sounding negative, but obviously again, starting my business.
Speaker 1:My business was all about working with black businesses because I saw that we wasn't getting the support that we need, but also, seeing that, I did see that there is a lot of, there is a huge unfortunate crab in the barrel mentality that is unnecessary, and I'll go back and say that I think it's all about narrative and language and because we are described as the minority, I think subconsciously it makes sometimes it makes some of us think that that means there's only one and therefore I think that's where the crab in the barrel mentality comes from.
Speaker 1:When it's not necessary at all, we are not actually a minority and we can all make it and we can actually all do that by kind of lifting each other up. And I do think there's a huge stigma as well about women not supporting women and being catty. When I've worked with many women and not had that and I found that the 98% of our collaborations have been fantastic and we formed really good business and personal relationships outside of that. So even when people I hear a lot of things where people say no man, you can't build with black people, or you can't do this or you can't do that. No, I've had my fair share of things where I've seen things that I've not liked. That it hasn't put me off and I can say that for the most part it does work if you stick at it and if you do it with the right intention.
Speaker 3:I'd love to hear about your podcast. No Bravado, I did spend some time looking at your YouTube. Very eventful, very exciting, lots of things happening in it. Some of the topics and subject matters I'm just like whoa okay, it does really draw you in. So how did that come about and who do you work with on that show?
Speaker 1:So this is Diva Choice, so this is where we've partnered up as well. So Diva Choice is run by Trisha Blake and again, it's hard to find someone that kind of thinks. It is hard to find someone that kind of thinks like you sometimes and is not worried about certain things and just wants to work, doesn't care about anything else or any any politics or anything like that within business, just wants to work, get things done and wants to build. And she is definitely one of those those people. When she spoke about this podcast. We have many conversations so we can talk about hot dogs to astral projection, like it just goes on and on, but we laugh a lot when we do talk. And so she wanted and she had another friend as well that she had those kind of conversations with so she wanted to kind of bring that to a podcast.
Speaker 1:So we started it. We didn't really think anything of it again. That was a big step for me, because that was now stepping in front of the camera again. So where we had this conversation before, I was like, oh my God, no. But I think the pandemic then gave us all a little bit of Dutch courage and thought, okay, why not? And at first I was really not comfortable at all, but as time's gone on and it's developed, it's, it's grown, you kind of get used to it and, yeah, we love it. We love it. If you've seen it, then you know it's. It's very, very eventful and we're very direct and straight and to the point. People and I think it comes out it does In the podcast. Look, I'm saying this like with my toe between my legs because I just I'm just flashback into some of the things that we've spoken about on there. So yeah, Now that's.
Speaker 3:I want to know a bit more about your new Black-owned hair and beauty store called Nail. When did you launch that and what was the reason that you wanted to introduce getting to the hair and beauty industry?
Speaker 1:Okay. So again, nail was launched when March of this year but it's been like 18 months in the making, a very good friend of mine. We were friends first, but we've done a few marketing and PR jobs and stuff together and she's a good friend of mine. She came to me because she knows my political views and we've both always kind of complained about you know something that doesn't quite sit right with me when I go into a Black hair shop and the man's telling me what to put in my hair and I'm like it's not that and you're arguing with me. Stop it.
Speaker 1:Stop it right now. Also, it throughout well, this was before the pandemic, but as well, we kind of started planning this and we started marketing it before the pandemic, around 2019. And then in the pandemic it was the Black hair and beauty stores was deemed as non essential. How very rude, because I can't go into Tesco like Susan and go and pick up all of my hair products. So we were like no, it kind of spurred us on even more.
Speaker 1:So it's just about putting a different spin on the black. We're very creative people and we feel like we're very in touch with the times that we're in, so we wanted to add like a luxury element and change the face of the black hair and beauty store. So it's a black owned black hair and beauty store, you know, and bringing it into the 21st century. So we're both mental health first aiders, so we offer that on our website. If you need to chat, both of us are here. It's still very community based as well. We've got pay it forward on there. There's loads of different aspects. As well as being it's a well-being hub also. So it's a black hair and beauty store and well-being hub.
Speaker 1:But when she came to me with that, it was like, yeah, that's a no brainer. So less arm down. And it's not been easy at all, and I'll tell you why. I have a newfound appreciation for why people say why do black people charge so much when you have a business? I'll tell you why Because when you're a black person and you go to a wholesalers, they charge you subsequently more than anyone else, and that's why we end up charging black businesses, end up having to charge more Because we don't get those major rates or those deals, because it's not owned by us. So ultimately as well, our ultimate goal would be to open up a wholesalers so that we can make things more affordable for everybody and everybody can be.
Speaker 3:Basically, In terms of your business? Do you feel that when you incorporated the well-being and the mental health which is incredible, by the way did that? Do you think that was a differentiator for you going into that market and knowing that you offered well-being and mental health support?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, black hair and beauty is a lot to do with image as well, and I think that an image when it comes to well-being and mental health, it needs to be attached, because there's a lot of pressure, especially on black women at the moment. If you don't wear a wig, you need to wear a wig. Your edges, your lack of edges, your this, your that it's just a lot, and I think that, yes, we want to sell products, but we also want to educate. So we're not telling you to buy this because just to buy it, to buy it from us, Is this your hair type? What is it? Okay, so this is what you need in order to nourish your hair, if you need, if you want to do it.
Speaker 1:So we offer all of that and we just want to be an all-rounder. A key focus for us is the well-being of black men and women. So if we can offer that while selling the products as well, then we've put it in there every rich way that we kind of can, and I think it does definitely differentiate us and it does help that we are mental health first-aiders and obviously, like I said because of my depression in the past, it is something very important to me and I do have a very empathetic standpoint from that.
Speaker 3:So how do you balance being mummy, podcaster, business owner, pr agent, pr and creative entrepreneur? There's obviously a lot that you're doing, so how do you make sure that you're looking after yourself and you've got so much to do?
Speaker 1:Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I scream into my pillow and I remember my friend who I run Nio with. I think I cried about something because I was stuck in traffic. I don't cry for anything and I cried because I was stuck in traffic. I was so, but I was worn out. She's like girl, you need to take time off. And she is the one that has like bashed it into my head you need to, even if it's once a month, take a week out, or once every two months, take a week out or have set days where you take a day out.
Speaker 1:Because what I realized is that I didn't take any time out. There was no off time, there was no lights out, there was no, no unclothes. I'm not working Saturday, sunday, anytime, doing whatever we need you to do, but it doesn't work and it wears you out. So it is hard, and spending time with my kids is very important to me. So I've managed to kind of now say, well, I'm not doing that now, I'm not doing it, I've got to do this, I've got to do that. Sundays or Sundays, I'm not doing anything. From Saturday afternoon to Sunday, I'm not doing nothing Work related. I sneak a few things in here and there. But I try to kind of have some off days and, like this week, I'm just off. So, yeah, this is one of my off weeks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you're podcasting with me, hey.
Speaker 1:No, and I still got, and we still got more and some other opportunities came up this Wednesday and Thursday. So I have to take.
Speaker 3:I have to take them If there's a final thing that you would like to leave with my audience. It could be a piece of advice, it could be something that you've learned along your way just something for them to take away with them before I let you go.
Speaker 1:There's two things, and I think they both kind of intel, kind of intertwine with mental health. Number one is don't be so hard on yourself. How you talk to yourself is important, and when I used to read things like that I used to think, oh, shut up, that's so cheesy, it's so corny. But I am awfully critical of myself and it's still something that I'm working on. I don't give myself a break, and it's not good, because how you talk to yourself is very important and if you start to believe the negative things you say to yourself, it does kind of debilitate what you can do. So don't be so hard on yourself. Also, there are no failures. There are no failures.
Speaker 1:If it doesn't work, try again. Try and do something different. Don't be afraid about how something looks. Yes, your brand needs to look consistent. Yes, you need to look like you know what you're doing. But if you need to switch it up, switch it up if it's not working, and don't be so hard on yourself. It's not a failure because you tried and at least you know now, okay, that doesn't work or that doesn't work in this moment. Let me try this. But just don't give up. Keep trying different recipes until you get the perfect, perfect, perfect one, and that's what I did. And five years, four years on now, considering we started over 10 years ago, I only feel like the last four years, and now two years, has been skyrocketing, but that's how. It's taken me forever to get to where I want to be.
Speaker 3:Now, that's phenomenal piece of advice. Thank you so much for your time today, natalie. Before I let you go, where can people find your social media, your business, your website, etc.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything is on nlpronlinecom To shop at Nile, it's NileStudiocom At NathalionaPR is my Instagram. The Instagram for no bravado is no underscore bravado. What next is what next underscore initiative? Nile is Nile Studio and NLPR is at NLPR underscore agency. And we're also on Facebook under all of our names.
Speaker 3:Well, I think you're probably, without a doubt, the busiest entrepreneur I've had on the show. So, wow, a lot going on, but, natalie Leona, thank you for joining me today on the.
Speaker 1:British. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Okay, folks, well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Natalie Leona. I had a phenomenal time speaking to her. I'll leave all the links to her social media in the show notes below, so check that out. I am into the on a schedule of every Wednesday trying to record these podcasts and get them out. I did recently come back from holiday, so forgive me, my people, because I didn't get the podcast out last week like I wanted to. So I'm playing a bit of catch up, but bear with me. I want to bring as much value and inspiration and education to you as possible. So hope you enjoyed today's episode. Next week, wednesday, you'll be hearing from another black entrepreneur from the UK. So stay inspired, stay motivated and stay ready for what's coming next. All right, take care, folks. See you soon.